Saturday, May 7, 2011

Anyone who claims to be an atheist is in fact a believer

Today, I tweeted at my Twitter site http://www.twitter.com/rahulbemba:

Anyone who claims to be an “atheist”; is in fact a “believer”. - Rahul

Someone asked me “how?" Here was my explanation:

If we think, atheism is also a “belief”. The person, who takes care not to believe in the conventional religions or wisdom which are at the end a “pattern”, can also be believing in a “pattern”. His anti-belief is also a belief; his anti-pattern is also a pattern. For example, just like devotees salute in front of the deity as a practice, he makes sure that he doesn’t salute – as a practice too! He thinks he is doing something new, but it is the same old in a different mould.

My own thoughts on this is that we should be free from the dogma, even if we call ourselves religious. Also, I believe we should be free from both pro- and anti- things... We don't have to be opposite of anything, but we should be free from all patterns, even from atheism... As you would observe, anything ending in an "ism" is a pattern, including atheism... Anything which can be described in an "ism", like atheism, is a pattern, and hence has a belief system… This is why I say, those who call themselves atheists, are in fact believers…

- Rahul

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is Atheism a religion?

Subodh said...

Muze lagta hai ki Atheist ke meaning me kuchh confusion hai.Atheist ka jo prachin matlab wo tha God ka existance na manane wala, Dharma ko na manane wala nahi.
Kyuki Dharma ke kai matlab hai. Shastra padhate waqt we alag alag aate hai. kahi KARMA, BELIEF ON GOD, to kahi NITI.
Aaj kal God ko na manane wale ko Atheist kahte hai. Hame God or Dharma me kya farak hai wo samazna chahiye, tabhi ham Atheist ke bare me sahi samaz sakte hai.

upendra said...

Yes, there can be a believer atheist. India has produced two great personalities named Buddha and Mahavir, who were believer and athesit at the same time.

Naastik Theist: According to Manu, "Ved Nindako Nastikah". It means anyone who condemns and do not accept the authority of Vefdas is a Nastik. By this definition, Muslims and Christians are Naastik, though they beleive in God.

Aastik Atheist: Kapil is a Vedik philosopher. He propounded the philosophy of Sankhya, which does not accept the existence of God. Hence Kapi is an atheist and Aastik at the same time. Sankhya itself is an Atheist Aastik philosophy.

D D said...

As it is said in Gita that - actions are all effected by the forces of nature but deluded by individuality the self thinks, " I am the actor." Our hunger compels us to eat, it is not a human law but a law of the nature and of the mind but we humans feel that we are doing it. Thinking only about oneself and to indulge in absolute materialism cannot always be the right path for everyone after all Hindus have traditionally believed that if there is any god then he must be everyone's god and not of someone specific and it is this basic thought that must be held supreme. Unfortunately this thought is not always shared commonly in the world and therefore we have the divisions and clashes and subsequent call for return to absolute materialism.

C.A.S. said...

"Believing a certain thing does not exist" and "Not believing in existence of a thing without sufficient evidence" are two different things.

1.I say I believe that a 1000-headed serpent does not exist....This is is belief in non-existence...this is as blind a belief as in existence of a 1000-headed serpent.(This is belief in absence of a thing)

2.I say I do not believe in existence of a 1000-headed serpent as there is no evidence.(This is lack of belief in existence of a thing as there is no evidence of existence).

Atheists fall in 2 rather than in 1 above.

Bhumesh said...

I don't think so because Atheism is a not a belief system but an absence of belief.

Being an atheist means like being a Non rocket scientist, just being removed from knowledge about technical principles of Rocket science.

What you are saying is like, "If there is no water in a cup then it means there is a water". I think there is a water but zero in quantity.

P.S From the word believer I meant the person who believes in the existence God not the the word in this sentence "I believe that I am carrying lunch with me". Language has tricked many philosophers in centuries.